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• Hotkeys for Swiss keyboard: "<" SC056 problem and missing AltGr

  emp00 > 2023-05-29 05:56

  Dear Team.
  
  I' m using a Swiss keyboard, layout see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTZ#/me..._Swiss.svg
  
  Problem: 

  • I would like to use e.g. CTRL+"<" as hotkey: nice+quick combination in the left bottom corner of the keyboard
    
  • Using Folders Popup it was possible to press the "<" key and it would accept and display this as a hotkey
    
  • With QAP 11.6.1.5 this is not possible: pressing "<" in a hotkey definition dialog box does not work
    
  • Of course I found a workaround using "manual input": Entering "^SC056" enables CTRL-"<" working fine
    

  This leads me to two suggestions (or maybe I did something completely wrong, user error?):
  

  1. Why not re-enable the user pressing the "<" key in the hotkey dialog box?
     
  2. One more thing: With the "^SC056" workaround, they hotkey is displayed as "CTRL+SC056" in my popup menu. It should be displayed as "CTRL+<" just as Folders Popup did in the past because this scancode number is not really compatible with humans
     

  One additional bonus question / suggestion:

  • QAP's hotkey definition dialog box is missing the "AltGr" key, a very common key in central Europe, see also the Swiss layout picture above, the blue key right next to the space bar
    
  • The official Autohotkey shortcut for AltGr is "<^>!", see here: https://www.autohotkey.com/docs/v2/Hotkeys.htm#AltGr
    
  • Why not implement this quite important key in QAP or you could at least make a note in the dialog box: "For AltGr combinations please use "<^>!" as manual input."; otherwise users might think it's not even possible at all, but of course it is :-)
    

  Thanks for consideration and greetings to Canada, the land of bears, salmon and honestly the friendliest progressive people in the world I ever met! 

• RE: Hotkeys for Swiss keyboard: "<" SC056 problem and missing AltGr

  Horst > 2023-05-29 06:45

  (2023-05-29 05:56)emp00 Wrote: Dear Team.
  
  I' m using a Swiss keyboard, layout see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTZ#/me..._Swiss.svg
  
  Problem: 

  • I would like to use e.g. CTRL+"<" as hotkey: nice+quick combination in the left bottom corner of the keyboard
    
  • Using Folders Popup it was possible to press the "<" key and it would accept and display this as a hotkey
    
  • With QAP 11.6.1.5 this is not possible: pressing "<" in a hotkey definition dialog box does not work
    
  • Of course I found a workaround using "manual input": Entering "^SC056" enables CTRL-"<" working fine
    

  This leads me to two suggestions (or maybe I did something completely wrong, user error?):
  

  1. Why not re-enable the user pressing the "<" key in the hotkey dialog box?
     
  2. One more thing: With the "^SC056" workaround, they hotkey is displayed as "CTRL+SC056" in my popup menu. It should be displayed as "CTRL+<" just as Folders Popup did in the past because this scancode number is not really compatible with humans
     

  One additional bonus question / suggestion:

  • QAP's hotkey definition dialog box is missing the "AltGr" key, a very common key in central Europe, see also the Swiss layout picture above, the blue key right next to the space bar
    
  • The official Autohotkey shortcut for AltGr is "<^>!", see here: https://www.autohotkey.com/docs/v2/Hotkeys.htm#AltGr
    
  • Why not implement this quite important key in QAP or you could at least make a note in the dialog box: "For AltGr combinations please use "<^>!" as manual input."; otherwise users might think it's not even possible at all, but of course it is :-)
    

  Thanks for consideration and greetings to Canada, the land of bears, salmon and honestly the friendliest progressive people in the world I ever met! 

  I have a German keyboard and there are no problems to assign an AltGr combination.
  Select the Alt and the Ctrl option and the letter in the keyboard field.
  Like this for AltGr-H

• RE: Hotkeys for Swiss keyboard: "<" SC056 problem and missing AltGr

  emp00 > 2023-05-29 07:47

  @Horst: You are referring to CTRL-ALT as replacement for AltGr. This is not what I want --> I would like to use AltGr hotkeys exclusively / indepedently without blocking a CTRL-ALT combination.
  
  Example: AltGr-M should open my QAP-menu but CTRL-ALT-M should still work for other purposes.

• RE: Hotkeys for Swiss keyboard: "<" SC056 problem and missing AltGr

  Horst > 2023-05-29 07:59

  (2023-05-29 07:47)emp00 Wrote: @Horst: You are referring to CTRL-ALT as replacement for AltGr. This is not what I want --> I would like to use AltGr hotkeys exclusively / indepedently without blocking a CTRL-ALT combination.
  
  Example: AltGr-M should open my QAP-menu but CTRL-ALT-M should still work for other purposes.

  The AltGr key produces the same as pressing the Alt and Ctrl key
  you can't have this independ, its not a 3rd keyboard code.
  
  You can test this in other tools, I do it for example in Everything.
  In a hotkey assigment you can press the AltGr key and it will be shown as Ctrl Alt
  which of course is the same as pressing the Alt and Ctrl keys while doing an assigment.

• RE: Hotkeys for Swiss keyboard: "<" SC056 problem and missing AltGr

  emp00 > 2023-05-29 08:14

  Thanks @Horst - I was not aware of this until today (even though a AHK user since half a year ;-)) but indeed --> AltGr is always LCtrl + RAlt ... Understood, this closes my question/request for the AltGr key and maybe I can still get feedback on the "SC056" issue in my initial posting. Many thanks!

• RE: Hotkeys for Swiss keyboard: "<" SC056 problem and missing AltGr

  Jean Lalonde > 2023-05-29 09:29

  Hi,
  
  > Why not re-enable the user pressing the "<" key in the hotkey dialog box?
  
  It is not a QAP limitation. QAP is using an AHK control for hotkey settings (see Gui, Add, Hotkey). This would be a question (probably already asked) for the AHK forum.
  
  > With the "^SC056" workaround, they hotkey is displayed as "CTRL+SC056" in my popup menu.
  
  I think scan codes can differ on various keyboard layouts. I don't think QAP could reliably convert SC code to real keys.

• RE: Hotkeys for Swiss keyboard: "<" SC056 problem and missing AltGr

  emp00 > 2023-05-29 09:42

  (2023-05-29 09:29)Jean Lalonde Wrote: Hi,
  
  > Why not re-enable the user pressing the "<" key in the hotkey dialog box?
  
  It is not a QAP limitation. QAP is using an AHK control for hotkey settings (see Gui, Add, Hotkey). This would be a question (probably already asked) for the AHK forum.

  
  Well, it works perfectly with "Folders Popup". Why is it not possible any more with QAP? It cannot be an Autohotkey limitation - just tested with another script using the same "Add hotkey" functionality. This detects pressing the "<" key and it is shown as "<" just like in the good old "Folders Popup".
  
  I'm quite sure, that somehow this keypress is filtered out in the current QAP... Why so?
  
  Screenshot proof ==> this is another AHK script running and it detects the "SC056" = "<" key.
  
  

• RE: Hotkeys for Swiss keyboard: "<" SC056 problem and missing AltGr

  Jean Lalonde > 2023-05-29 10:12

  Oh... I'll investigate this.

• RE: Hotkeys for Swiss keyboard: "<" SC056 problem and missing AltGr

  Jean Lalonde > 2023-05-31 13:53

  I reviewed this code and, yes, it was a bug in QAP. Beta release v11.6.1.9.7 fixes this. It will be in the next production release soon.

• RE: Hotkeys for Swiss keyboard: "<" SC056 problem and missing AltGr

  emp00 > 2023-06-01 14:45

  Excellent - many thanks for your efforts!
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